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aleyo being mounted

topic posted Sat, December 18, 2010 - 5:53 PM by  moon
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I know it maybe rare. But can an aleyo be mounted in a bembe if so what does that mean
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moon
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  • Re: aleyo being mounted

    Sun, December 19, 2010 - 11:29 AM
    Hi-It's very very rare but usually when an aleyo get mounted, means the aleyo has to make santo asap
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      Tue, December 21, 2010 - 7:19 AM
      I know this may sound kind of silly but why would they have to make santo asap? are they in any spiritual harm if they don't make santo right away?

      peace
      N.
      • Re: aleyo being mounted

        Sat, December 25, 2010 - 5:39 PM
        well me as an example I have to do santo as it is just this last guiro i almost mounted yemaya and it was a weird feeling naseous i would go in trance come back go back into trance so it is possible from what i HAVE HEARD
      • Re: aleyo being mounted

        Wed, January 5, 2011 - 2:44 PM
        The fact that they were so blessed to be mounted as an aleyo is taken to mean that the Orisha is "calling" that person to their priesthood. As to what harm could possibly befall them.....that depends.
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          Re: aleyo being mounted

          Fri, January 21, 2011 - 10:55 AM
          yes its possible, wen a person knows their guardian/orisha they can get mounted....
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            Re: aleyo being mounted

            Thu, September 1, 2011 - 11:24 AM
            Is it possible? Yes. Does it happen as often as many aleyos want to believe? NO.

            When we say it's possible, it has nothing to do with the aleyo. There are certain Orishas that can mount any head, at any time. But they only do so (according to the teachings I've been given) in times of DIRE NEED - for instance saving the life of someone very ill.

            But I hate to burst aleyo bubbles...but 99.9% of the time, if an aleyo gets "mounted" at a drum, it's not Orisha coming to their head. Just knowing who claims your head has nothing to do with being mounted. We do not control the mounting process; Orisha does. And in Lukumi, perhaps other traditions too, there are ways of testing the manifestation. If it's Iwin or another type of spirit showing up where it's not welcomed, then that spirit will be made to leave.

            And as we've discussed in another thread in this tribe, if you retain any form of conscious recollection of your "possession", then you weren't being possessed at all.

            Sorry aleyos, but Orisha do not come to your head until Orisha has been seated there. There are classes of spirits that will come to the head of anyone regardless if the head's been crowned or not, but at least in orthodox Lukumi, the only time Orisha would come to a head that wasn't crowned is in dire strait situations.

            I hope this was helpful.

            Peace,

            Jim / Ogun Funmito
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              Re: aleyo being mounted

              Thu, September 1, 2011 - 3:37 PM
              That sounds like it is probably a good thing Jim. One thing I have been thinking about a lot lately, is how all the Orishas are important, and instead of spending time thinking, Oh this is my Orisha, or that is my Orisha, it is just nice to commune, and respect them all. At least from an outsiders perspective, I find all of them to be beautiful, and wonderful, and each offers a different perspective. So to be honest, I would be grateful for any of their presences, and I am greatful that they would not just "possess" us. It makes the experience so much more meaningful when in a trained, loving, and professional ceremony. Those are my thoughts at least. :)
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                Re: aleyo being mounted

                Thu, September 1, 2011 - 3:59 PM
                Hi Lesley,

                Yes. I should have stated in my earlier post that while Orisha will not normally come to the head of an aleyo or ab'orisha, that doesn't mean either type of person cannot feel the ashe of the Orishas when they do start coming to the head of Oloshas (either in ceremony or celebration). Many people can feel the energy shift that occurs during a wemilere or bembe, it is a very real current that gets everyone around it in a heightened awareness.

                I actually had the opposite type of situation in my life. When I was an aborisha, I never felt ashe around me at all (with one very BIG excpetion when I had to feed Iroko). I always had trouble relating to spiritual energies of any kind. But as soon as I entered the igbodu and was crowned, it was like someone had done a major software upgrade to me, and now I sense ashe around me almost all the time.

                One thing all aleyos should remember or realize about drumming ceremonies, as long as you are accompanied by your godparent(s) or even a god-sibling who's crowned, you have nothing to ever fear or worry about. I've witnessed aleyos starting to pass spirits at tambors, but they were not Orisha and were "escorted" away. :)

                Take care for now!

                Jim / Ogun Funmito
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                  Re: aleyo being mounted

                  Thu, September 1, 2011 - 5:23 PM
                  I so wish I could one day go to one of these events, if only to participate. I love to dance, and sing, and listen to drum beats, just to be free. :) I watch videos all the time on youtube, and I am just like, wow. :)
      • Re: aleyo being mounted

        Fri, September 2, 2011 - 11:33 AM
        There are a number of different reasons why an orisha would mount an alejo -- pleasure, displeasure, risk of spiritual harm, risk of physical harm, health-related issues, etc. In every case, the next step is a reading to investigate the situation and the resolutions.

        Elaine
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    Re: aleyo being mounted

    Tue, September 6, 2011 - 1:32 PM
    In my 9 years of priesthood and 5+ years of being part of this religion I have witnessed 2 people be mounted at a tambor who weren't crowned - an aleyo and an aborisha. It is very rare...and it usually isn't orisha.

    Padrino said that both times that it was probably eggun - although the aleyo (a policeman and family member of my padrino and not an active member of the ilé) totally was dancing like Ochosi. He was told later in a reading that his eggun was trying to keep his eyes and ears open for his job, to be careful who he approaches on the street.
    The other was an aborisha who had just received her elekes and warriors, she was told in a reading that Oshun was giving her 1 month to make santo for her health - her father in santo ended up being Babalu Aye.

    I've even witnessed people who have santo made be mounted by Babalu Aye - they say he can mount anyone at anytime, crowned or not. It was not a pretty site, it looked painful and scary.
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      Re: aleyo being mounted

      Wed, September 7, 2011 - 9:22 AM
      Hi Alyssa!

      I once heard about a cop who came to a tambor back in Philly responding to a noise complaint, and after he walked in he started to pass a spirit. Naturally everyone thought it was Oshosi, but apparently it was just an Iwin (spirit) and apparenlty the dude was really shaken by the experience. :)

      You definitely saw Asojano. A good friend of mine from Chicago is a mount for Yemoja, but he also gets mounted by Asojano often. When he manifests it is truly a very scary transformation to witness - there's no faking Asojano's ashe and manifestation. :)

      Peace,

      Jim / Ogun Funmito

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