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sand/beach and yemaya.....?

topic posted Fri, January 14, 2011 - 10:17 PM by  Nina
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Ok as we all know Yemaya is the ocean... I was wondering if the beach (sand) would be considered hers also? I was just curious... Cause I mean the sahara desert is all sand but clearly nowhere near water so that can't be Yemayas... But sand on a beach.... What do you guys think?? If it is not Yemaya is there an orisha that owns it?
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  • Re: sand/beach and yemaya.....?

    Sat, January 15, 2011 - 5:14 AM
    Yemeya (Yemonja) is the diasporan name for Mami Wata. Mami Wata is the head of one pantheon of vodun (AGWE is another) that resides in the sea. Anything under one's foot is the domain of Sakpata.

    Wedosi
    • Re: sand/beach and yemaya.....?

      Sat, January 15, 2011 - 6:14 AM
      thank you :)
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        Sat, January 15, 2011 - 7:23 AM
        Yemoja (Yoruba spelling), in the Yoruba tradition, is a fresh water (riverine) spirit. Somewhere between Africa and the New World, she came to be associated with the surface waters of the oceans (Olokun -- who originally owned all parts of the ocean, now owns the depths of the sea, in the New World traditions).

        The deserts are owned by Aganju, who also owns volcanoes, the depths of the earth, all desolate places and all gems/minerals of the earth. Once upon a time, he owned the rivers, but it is said that he gave the rivers to Oshun.

        There are New World caminos of Yemoja where She lives along the edge of the sea, where the earth (sand) meets the water (ocean).

        Since the earth itself (Aye) was once acknowledged and worshipped as an orisha, I would imagine that, in general, all sand, soil, gravel, rocks , etc. actually belong to Aye.

        Elaine
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          Re: sand/beach and yemaya.....?

          Sat, January 15, 2011 - 8:20 AM
          Achaba is the path of the foam of the waves of the seashore. The ileke is a lovely aqua and white with some coral. Once a friend of mine and I were at the shore and we were standing there in the foamy water. She has Yemoja made in La Regla Lukumi and I started singing to to her Yemoja and we had to get out of the water. :)

          Many people whose mother in ocha is Yemoja, or have a strong relationship with her are prohibited from going into the ocean more than foot or waist-deep. I have seen this come up in ita and also in Ifa reading especially ise'Fa.

          Yeye (Mother) omo (children) oja (fishes) Mother whose children are fishes
          • Re: sand/beach and yemaya.....?

            Sat, January 15, 2011 - 2:33 PM
            Some interesting on-line articles about Mami Wata:

            www.mamiwata.com/mami.htm

            en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mami_Wata

            And Sakpata:

            www.mamiwata.com/sakpata.html

            en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakpana

            Dahomey (now, Benin) and Nigeria share geographical boundaries and cultural similarities that extend even to some shared deity/spirit names and attributes; but it is important to note that each country has its own histories, migrations, traditions and practices that are distinct and unique. Africa is a huge continent and has been shaped by thousands of years worth of immigrations and emigrations of people, ideas, and philosophies. Each country and its people residing within deserve individual respect and acknowledgement.

            Elaine
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              Sun, January 16, 2011 - 6:57 AM
              Elaine says..."Dahomey (now, Benin) and Nigeria share geographical boundaries and cultural similarities that extend even to some shared deity/spirit names and attributes; but it is important to note that each country has its own histories, migrations, traditions and practices that are distinct and unique"

              This is a misnomer for folks that do not know Africa! I actually live and practice vodun IN Africa! The tern "vodun" simply means "sacred" in Fongbe. For us the Orisha is simply Nigeria's vodun or the Ghanain Nana... Ghana's vodun. When one speaks of ATRs, in Africa, one is referring to traditions that pre-date today's political boundaries. Spirits originate from various tribes of people and ancestries. Mami Wata is from the Mina people who practice (and live) from Benin to Ghana. Mami has always been associated with the sea. The Nigerian's know, her sister better, (Oshun) because she originates from Nigeria itself. In Africa we practice vodun all over Africa. As I am Mami Wata I have been in temples in Benin, Togo, Ghana and Nigeria. And, it is all the same! It simply depends on which vodun comes from which region.The Ogboni king visits my temple often, when he has business in Benin, because I carry that particular Nigerian vodun. We also receive visits from folks, in Nigeria, in reference to their interest in Mami Wata. Sakpata hails from Benin, West Africa. He hails from a place called Dossa Suma. Once one lives or spends quality time in Africa (I'm not referring to 1 month to do one ceremony) and observes original African Traditional Spiritual Systems one sees from a different perspective. What I have learned of these spirits is not from books but rather from years of initiating, serving and training in African temples.

              A great Hounon died in 2001....The Chef Supreme du Vodun HEVIOSSO...and a very good friend of mine. His name was Sossa Guedehoungue. His sons, upon commemorating his death, caught a couple of clips, of ME, escorting the Mami Watas, to sea, on the Ouidah beach in 2000. I am the fat woman under my vodun umbrella w/ my vodun cane dressed in our cloths and jewels..

              .HOUNON AYIDOHOUEDOSSI AHOUEGNON

              www.youtube.com/watch

              Wedosi
              • Re: sand/beach and yemaya.....?

                Sun, January 16, 2011 - 8:05 AM
                I'm sorry I forgot to mention. In the clip you will see me at about 3.06 and again at 3.46.

                Wedosi
                • Re: sand/beach and yemaya.....?

                  Sun, January 16, 2011 - 9:55 PM
                  Thank you Wedosi and Elaine for the responses... I was always curious about sand on a beach because I have always felt the peace and happiest on a beach by the ocean... I will definitely do some research to learn more
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                    Re: sand/beach and yemaya.....?

                    Sun, January 16, 2011 - 10:59 PM
                    well the beach is yemaya's that is a for sure thing but the sand is a 50/50 why do I say that because remember the wrath of yemaya is very vengeful and the sand is the one that controls it and the name is Orisha oko . Orisha oko is the saint of the earth and was a harvester of the earth. This is what I heard I might be wrong though
                    • Re: sand/beach and yemaya.....?

                      Mon, January 17, 2011 - 11:20 AM
                      :) Nina-

                      The Ocean's depth, up till the floors, are considered Yemaya's. Farther down, the trenches and the actual floor of the Ocean, are the domain of Olokun.

                      The sands that lay on the edge of the Ocean are, in Santeria, a much argued matter. Some say they belong to Eshu Aye, the Eshu that works with Olokun, some say it belongs to Organ, the "general" of Olokun's army of souls lost at sea, and others say it belongs to other deities, such as Elusu. In Africa, however - Yemaya was a river deity, because the people of the Yoruba and other tribes did not leave close to the Ocean.

                      Yemaya came to become the great Ocean mother when the slaves were brought across the ocean during the slave trades.

                      :) Daniel - Orisha Oko is the Orisha of agriculture and feertilized lands, so he guards over farm and crops, and by night, he is Iku, the essence of death. Among his implements are a spanish tile and 2 coconuts, which represent his penis and testicles, ever dragging on the Earth and fertilizing it.

                      Hope this helps somewhat.

                      ~Ged

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