polygamy,

topic posted Mon, April 28, 2008 - 10:50 PM by  voudou doll
is it for you? i have seen situations where african americans are practicing atr's...and polygamy.they are feeling that this is a rightful state for a traditional african family, which is what they wish to be.
is polygamy something that is written in the rules of an atr as an acceptable union?
or is it cultural and political?

~vdoll
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voudou doll
Virginia
  • Re: polygamy,

    Tue, April 29, 2008 - 8:58 PM
    To me polygamy is based on preference and agreement by all prties involved... I don't care how it is accepteted or encouraged in any tradition or community.... people, especially women are territorial by nature. And men are egotistical by design all men will be up in arms if the roles were reversed for the man's pride would be in a compromising position. For me it is not a lifestyle I would accept for myself at this time for I am not emotionally tuned or have fully accepted the idea of sharing. But for those that do I commend them and only hope that it is a secure and helping relationship.

    • I read a board recently on polygamy and it's relevance and contributions to today's socio-economic development and was amazed at the back and forth debate amongst "scholars" and actual persons who participated in polygamist household's. Many of these people both "scholars" and non, believe polygamy is no longer needed in today's society and if it IS being practiced, it's only being used as "approved" sex with multiple partners on the part of the male. As a person who never grew up in a polygamist household, I didn't really feel right taking a position on the matter… at the time.

      But I reflected

      MY INTRODUCTION TO THE 'PRACTICE'

      When I was a freshman in college (1993-1994), I attended an Intro to Speech class (required by the institution I attended). We were required to conduct oral presentations on topics of choice during every class. Little did I know the impact this (what I deemed at the time, unnecessary) class would have on the rest of my life.

      A young man gave a speech on polygamy in African history and how it could benefit us (Africans born in America)today. Long story short, everything he said made sense to me. It seemed the ideal answer for the social and economic issues we were still suffering in this country. The astronomical amount of African American (AA) single mothers, the mortality rate of AA males, the limited/lack of communal bond amongst AA women, the epidemic of AIDS killing AA men, women and children, etc. The young, overly optimistic Sagittarian I was at the time, I promised myself that if I ever married, it would HAVE to be a polygamist household. It would be GREAT!!!! I would have co-wives/sister friends, we'd watch each others children, I'd have my own space/house, and if my husband got on my nerves, I could send him to the next wife, secure in his whereabouts with someone I trusted. I was actually fortunate enough to "finally" meet a man who not only agreed with my acceptance of polygamy, but whom also grew up in a polygamist environment. THIS thought process would play a vital role in the acceptance of a marriage proposal by this man, who is now my husband. (But I digress)

      MY INTRODUCTION TO 'INDIVIDUAL EXPERIENCE'

      I did, however, grow up in a home witnessing the pain and anguish my mother went through dealing with the infidelity of my father and the progeny's that resulted from his affairs. Never taking into consideration 'human' behavior, I assumed acceptance of polygamy was also the answer to infidelity. I would later listen to stories from other wives and children of polygamist households and STILL hear of the same pain and anguish so familiar to me as when I was a child. How could this be?

      Polygamy is still being practiced around the world, many success stories and many failed. But the acceptance of polygamy is vastly decreasing. In an age of "to each his own" , blanketed with "practice abstinence or you'll die of AIDS"…people don't seem to be left with a choice, BUT to keep "trying" and divorcing until they get it right. Leaving a slew of fatherless children, but it's OKAY, because we are STRONG "black" women and we can do it by ourselves.

      Yes, we can. But I would have rather had a father who felt, IF NOTHING, some cultural responsibility to me and the woman who labored me into this world.

      Bottom line, Polygamy is not about how many women you are "approved" to screw…I'm sorry…have intercourse with. It's an institution. An institution of marriage between one person and more than one spouse. Therefore it holds with it the same responsibilities, moralities and virtues as that of a monogamous marriage. Responsibilities that may never have to involve sex (if agreed by spouses involved) So it can work. As with any other marriage, it's up to the parties involved, men and women, to ensure that the work is put into upholding those responsibilities that keep the marriage together.


      But I could be wrong.
      Olori Ifetayo

      LINK TO THE BLOG:
      blog.myspace.com/index.cfm
      the blog link
      • I agree with you 100% sis.

        I am an advocate for polygamy. First let me say that the main reason a man a cheating with his longtime girlfriend while being married has absolutely nothing to do with sex. There is love there.

        I agree that the necessity of polygamy is of increasing need in our society for many reasons. While some of the reasons the brother stated in his oration may not be necessary in todays society. I believe the fundamental reason for polygamy is what still makes it a necessity.

        Each person has to have a clear understanding of what polygamy is.

        A polygamist situation will work 9 out of 10 times if its the woman who chooses or feels comfortable with her co-wife, since she will be spending more time with her co-wife than the husband.

        Since I am at work I can't really elaborate like I would like to.

        Peace all
        • just one quick remark

          Would men agree on polyandry if the social and political system would favor women?

          Just food for thoughs. I do nto have the answer wish I had..

          Gamo de Xango
          • a few men wrote to her in the blog saying just that, gamo.one even said ' yeah, i like that, plenty sex for me! "
            he was like,oh come on,tell the truth,this polygamy mess is for the sexually freeky!
            lol~
            vdoll
            • I totally understand where that blog discurse is coming from.. all of the arguments are true... but.... for me the roots of thd problems are elsewhere...
              Women of all times and countries have been , are somewhat still submitted to a male dominant society despite of the few progress and changes in some pardigms linked to the male dominancy...

              Even,, IMO, sorry if I am offending someone here, in the current systems and models of ATR this is the current model...

              So yes i understand why some women would argue that polygamy is the solution.. But once gain for me the Solution is elsewhere...

              In Peace Gamo
              • JB
                JB
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                As one said before, women in some areas have had multiple husbands as well as men who had wives even though this was the most of the practice, but that was for the reason that those who had money and land could afford such situations. But in our present society where macho ism is high, such practices are seen just as a freak party for the man... Women are far and few nowadays in having more than one husband, but we have to look at the practice from a religious point of view as well as a financial and economic one.
                There is a great rise of practitioners around the world in the diaspora, especially in the U.S. We need strong communities and strong family structures for the community at large and the children. Many followers in the religion are single parents and a structure of such would have a profound effect on education and communion. Women being the most influential and prominent in this religion would have a more upper hand than men..
                I see a big difference in polygamy in our religion than in other religions like Islam or Christianity cause of the strong female energy that we have... Do you think that Oshun or Yemonja would alow for such bull to happen like in Texas.... I think not......
                The stronger our community becomes, the more voice that we have in the upcoming battle for recognition and respect in the world at large and this is just one facet that would help to achieve this. Am I wrong????
                • Alaafia JB,

                  thank you for bringing up a point that i think many, for various reasons, tend to forget when it comes to polygamy; polygamy can be beneficial to women. it's mostly when we look at it from a non-african standpoint where polygamy has been abused that we see the oppression with this system (or when africans internalize and perpetuate non-african views and subsequent behaviors of male/female relationships).

                  polygamy could very well benefit single mothers and their children in our religion, providing - theoretically - loving homes where they grow up in the religion (i think it's essential that are children are raised in this religion for the survival of our traditions). the problem is...there aren't many men who can step up to the plate to handle this responsibility without making it seem like either charity work (where the mother and children need to show an abundance of constant appreciation for "saving them" - hmph) or a burden on the larger family unit.

                  ase,
                  idowu

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